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Post by Belfast Girl on Sept 12, 2008 3:45:33 GMT -5
I Just wanted to say that im absolutley disgusted at what Rose has said about the IRA. i was actually a fan of hers until i read these recent claims. They are absolutley ridiculous and I'm pretty sure she has offened alot of people here in N.Ireland. She dosen't know what it was like to live over here during the troubles so what gives her the right to make a comment like that. I cant beleive she would even say that she wanted to join a terriost organsitation, its ludacris. Im apalled.
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Post by rod on Sept 12, 2008 6:22:46 GMT -5
I too am absolutly appalled by this statement from rose. What about the thousands of people killed in the troubles, do you support that they are now dead for 'the cause'.
Do you support the bombing of innocent people on the shankill. do you support the murder of udr soldiers leaving hundreds of widows and sons and daughters without fathers.
If you grew up in Iraq/afhganistan would you support the bombing of 9/11/ think about your words rose.
I request a full apology to the people of ulster. NOW
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Post by belfast babe on Sept 12, 2008 7:52:52 GMT -5
i agree i am disgusted in the statement which she has made. are you justifying all of the innocent lives that were taking by the IRA during the troubles. i would love to see how long you would've lasted during this war in Belfast. i agree with rod a full apology should be made to the people of northern Ireland.
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Post by Manchester Cat on Sept 12, 2008 10:52:45 GMT -5
I am disgusted by Rose McGowan's comments. To be honest I have never even heard of her, which shows how important she is. She needs to realise that there is nothing romantic about the IRA or the troubles that Northern Ireland has encountered. I have deliberately found this forum to express my distaste. The woman is obviously an idiot and I hope her casting agent advises her to apologise.
She has made a very poor decision in voicing those kind of opinions and will probably ruin her credibility.
Foolish!
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Post by American Patriot on Sept 12, 2008 11:05:01 GMT -5
FYI The following text was taken from the Northern Ireland www.newsletter.co.uk website... Speaking at a Press conference at the Toronto International Film Festival this week, Rose McGowan said: "I imagine, had I grown up in Belfast, I would 100 per cent have been in the IRA. My heart just broke for the cause. Violence is not to be played out daily and provide an answer to problems, but I understand it." In response, a politician in Northern Ireland commented: "If Miss McGowan can develop such a misplaced sense of sympathy for murdering terrorists after making a film about the IRA, I sincerely hope she is never asked to make a film about the terror attacks on the Twin Towers, lest she come out with some rubbish about sympathizing with Bin Laden and wanting to join Al Qaida. I wonder just what it is about the murderous activities of the IRA which she finds appealing. As an IRA member would Miss McGowan have been happy to participate in the abduction, torture and murder of Jean McConville, a widow and mother of 10? Perhaps she wishes she had murdered shoppers in a bomb outside Harrods? Or does she wish she has been responsible for the murder of two young boys in Warrington? Miss McGowan's comments are "tasteless" coming in the same week as New York remembers the thousands of US citizens murdered during the 9/11 terrorist attack seven years ago." Get REAL Rose McGowan and take back your idiotic word and ideas. |
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Post by irishboston on Sept 18, 2008 18:32:54 GMT -5
I'm appalled at the weakness and lack of understanding expressed by you people who judge Rose. As an Irishman from Boston I'm incredibly proud of her honesty and her faith in the traditions and beliefs that make us "We Ourselves". Anyone who knows the Irish, knows that our hearts are loving and our generosity is immense.
Unfortunately, when a people are abused and oppressed like the Irish Catholics have been for a long time in Ireland, the options to fight back are limited. I support Rose and I understand her view. I don't know Rose but I can tell you that neither Rose, nor myself, are terrorists..... yet both of us have a firm desire to protect what is ours by birth right. Ireland belongs to the Irish and if you want to fight, you'll get it.
Those of you that have posted against Rose have failed to detail the misery, hatred, murder, and violence directed at Rose's people. She has been fair and honest in her assessment of her own feelings. You're lack of understanding speaks volumes about you!
There is no defending violence......but sometimes in life we have to fight any way we can. I applaud Rose for being honest. She's got legions of friends in BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS.
Signed,
Mike
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Post by ROD on Sept 19, 2008 4:00:01 GMT -5
' As an Irishman from Boston' My point exactly! Keep your american views to yourself
We are not against the general irish people. Its IRA Sympathisers that no nothing about what happened during the troubles in the border town's. the villages and country lanes. you's americans look at 'the north of ireland' and see the falls road and 'free' 'derry'. your so blinded by guilt.
What does rose honestly know about the 40 years of cowardly murdering by the IRA. Now that is oppression
'both of us have a firm desire to protect what is ours by birth right'. I was born here, so its my land too.
"Those of you that have posted against Rose have failed to detail the misery, hatred, murder, and violence directed at Rose's people" So do we just forget about our people and direct it solely upon the poor irish. your post answers all my question. america only sees one victim, as they always do.
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Post by Norniron on Sept 19, 2008 4:09:05 GMT -5
The poor poor abused a opressed Irish  So abused and oppressed they decided to murder, maime and injure over the course of 30-odd years. Rose McGowans heart breaks for the cause? What, a bit like the hearts that were broken after the Omagh, Enniskillen and Shankill bombs? Like the hearts that were broken after Claudy ? Catch yourself on Rose you silly failed abortion  |
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Post by iliveinireland on Sept 19, 2008 5:35:32 GMT -5
I'm appalled at the weakness and lack of understanding expressed by you people who judge Rose. As an Irishman from Boston I'm incredibly proud of her honesty and her faith in the traditions and beliefs that make us "We Ourselves". Anyone who knows the Irish, knows that our hearts are loving and our generosity is immense. Unfortunately, when a people are abused and oppressed like the Irish Catholics have been for a long time in Ireland, the options to fight back are limited. I support Rose and I understand her view. I don't know Rose but I can tell you that neither Rose, nor myself, are terrorists..... yet both of us have a firm desire to protect what is ours by birth right. Ireland belongs to the Irish and if you want to fight, you'll get it. Those of you that have posted against Rose have failed to detail the misery, hatred, murder, and violence directed at Rose's people. She has been fair and honest in her assessment of her own feelings. You're lack of understanding speaks volumes about you! There is no defending violence......but sometimes in life we have to fight any way we can. I applaud Rose for being honest. She's got legions of friends in BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS. Signed, Mike As a Bostonian you no doubt haven't seen first hand what the IRA did. The rosy tinted glasses and singing laments whislt drinking Guinness brewed in Nigeria does not make the 'cause' a romantic one. You say we do not understand 'Roses people' - well I am one. I live in Ireland unlike you and this is not my cause. The catholics of Northern Ireland can vote freely, there is no restriction on work or religious practice - they have access to the full benefits of the state. There is no oppression. The majority of Irish catholics live in the 26 counties and never felt the need to take up arms against the Brits in the North. EVER ASK YOURSELF WHY? It is because there was no need - the need for armed struggle is a myth created for US sympathisers and fundraisers. The propaganda you have fallen for is laughable. No doubt, if Rose came out in support of Al Qaeda for their 'brave stand' against the US in New York, Iraq and Afghanistan you would still support her? After all, the arab world 'perceives' oppression from the US. Surely she would just be taking a brave stand? And that is the crux of it - you have fallen for propaganda and now have a perception not backed up in fact nor reality. But let's not spoil the craic eh? Let's go down to the authentic Oirish bars in Boston tonight and sing about how the Brits oppress the folk at home an how an armed struggle is needed. Let's applaud Rose and her ilk for wanting to kill the Brit soldiers. These are the same Brit soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan alongside US troops. This is the same UK giving support to your War on Terror. This is the same Brit soldiers you sing songs about the IRA killing. This is the same Brit soldiers that Rose glorifies the murders of. You can;t have it both ways. If the Brits really are oppressing catholics in Ireland, why are the main Irish American voies in the senate not objecting to us working together? Why is the US army working with the UK? Why do your Presidents want to ally with the UK so much? Does the US Govt support oppression of Irish Catholics? or does it not actually exist? |
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Post by Ulster Loyal on Sept 19, 2008 5:59:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately, when a people are abused and oppressed like the Irish Catholics have been for a long time in Ireland, the options to fight back are limited. Signed, Mike It really does amaze me to the blinkered history of Ireland you so-called Irish Americans have. What about the prosecution of Protestants in Ireland over the centuries? Their churches were burnt to the ground and were murdered for their faith. It was this prosecution at the hands of Irish Catholics that the Orange Order was formed where Protestants seeked safety in numbers against the genocide of both themselves and their religion. Irish republicans and Irish Americans think the history of Ireland began in the 1960's when the poor Catholics were oppressed by the British war machine (queue the violin in the background). Irish Catholics have more blood on their hands through 300 years of violence than anyone else so don't be so quick to judge. Rose's comments were ill found and disgusting for every law abiding person in Northern Ireland and the comments of you Mike is further proof that many Irish Americans have been easily brainwashed to the views of one side. Most of you are of Ulster-Scots descent and you don't even know it! |
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Post by Ulster Loyal on Sept 19, 2008 6:06:46 GMT -5
I'm appalled at the weakness and lack of understanding expressed by you people who judge Rose. As an Irishman from Boston I'm incredibly proud of her honesty and her faith in the traditions and beliefs that make us "We Ourselves". Anyone who knows the Irish, knows that our hearts are loving and our generosity is immense. Unfortunately, when a people are abused and oppressed like the Irish Catholics have been for a long time in Ireland, the options to fight back are limited. I support Rose and I understand her view. I don't know Rose but I can tell you that neither Rose, nor myself, are terrorists..... yet both of us have a firm desire to protect what is ours by birth right. Ireland belongs to the Irish and if you want to fight, you'll get it. Those of you that have posted against Rose have failed to detail the misery, hatred, murder, and violence directed at Rose's people. She has been fair and honest in her assessment of her own feelings. You're lack of understanding speaks volumes about you! There is no defending violence......but sometimes in life we have to fight any way we can. I applaud Rose for being honest. She's got legions of friends in BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS. Signed, Mike As a Bostonian you no doubt haven't seen first hand what the IRA did. The rosy tinted glasses and singing laments whislt drinking Guinness brewed in Nigeria does not make the 'cause' a romantic one. You say we do not understand 'Roses people' - well I am one. I live in Ireland unlike you and this is not my cause. The catholics of Northern Ireland can vote freely, there is no restriction on work or religious practice - they have access to the full benefits of the state. There is no oppression. The majority of Irish catholics live in the 26 counties and never felt the need to take up arms against the Brits in the North. EVER ASK YOURSELF WHY? It is because there was no need - the need for armed struggle is a myth created for US sympathisers and fundraisers. The propaganda you have fallen for is laughable. No doubt, if Rose came out in support of Al Qaeda for their 'brave stand' against the US in New York, Iraq and Afghanistan you would still support her? After all, the arab world 'perceives' oppression from the US. Surely she would just be taking a brave stand? And that is the crux of it - you have fallen for propaganda and now have a perception not backed up in fact nor reality. But let's not spoil the craic eh? Let's go down to the authentic Oirish bars in Boston tonight and sing about how the Brits oppress the folk at home an how an armed struggle is needed. Let's applaud Rose and her ilk for wanting to kill the Brit soldiers. These are the same Brit soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan alongside US troops. This is the same UK giving support to your War on Terror. This is the same Brit soldiers you sing songs about the IRA killing. This is the same Brit soldiers that Rose glorifies the murders of. You can;t have it both ways. If the Brits really are oppressing catholics in Ireland, why are the main Irish American voies in the senate not objecting to us working together? Why is the US army working with the UK? Why do your Presidents want to ally with the UK so much? Does the US Govt support oppression of Irish Catholics? or does it not actually exist? An absolutely brilliant post. I applaud you. You said everythign as most Irish and British people living in Ireland feel about how uneducated so-called Irish Americans think. they have the weakest minds in the world as they fall for every propaganda thats fed to them. |
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Post by Living in NI on Sept 19, 2008 8:11:12 GMT -5
As an Irishman who lives in Northern Ireland all I can say about Rose is God help the American people. I think Rose should be made to come over here and visit the graves, friends and families of the men, women and children of all religions her brave hero's slaughtered in cold blood.
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Post by Belfast Girl on Sept 19, 2008 8:32:55 GMT -5
In response to those who agree with these ludicrous comments in which Rose has made, you too are just as bad as the actress herself for agreeing with such nonsense. As said by someone before maybe if you lot came over to N.Ireland you would realise that both Protestants and Catholics would completely disagree with what she has said not just one side. She should come over and visit the graves of the people that were murdered by the IRA and also meet the victims family and see how they react to her claims, afterall most of these were innocent people just living out their everyday lives when they were targeted by the IRA. So she needs to sort it out big style and take back these stupid , stupid comments.
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Post by AngelPiper1329 on Jan 22, 2009 9:47:43 GMT -5
I have read this whole thread and i have to say i had no idea what rose said or what happened in ireland. I am an irish american and the fact that i was oblivious to what happened makes me sick to my stomache. All of you have truths in what you said about americans and about rose, they are YOUR opinions and YOUR ideals and that makes them true. Infact in my opinion all irish americans should be disgusted with their "perfect vision" of ireland when clearly there is so much more buried deep in the heat of it. Yes rose was wrong, but i say show her the graves, explain to her what you explain to us, give her a chance to understand and fell what you feel. Instead of fighting and turning our backs we should be trying to understand eachother trying to heal the pain and the hurt. No nothing can ever fully heal what happened just like nothing can fully heal what happened on 9/11 but we learn and we grow and you as well as i know that she is just one of many ignorant beings that are unheard she was heard because she is famous well like i said give her a chance and show her what you showed me. I don't believe her to be heartless infact i believe she has a very big heart, she just needs to understand and before you jump on me and tell me i am a fan and i am supporting her, No i am not a fan of hers and no i am not supporting her. I am just a person who believes in second chances and that and to be understanding you have to understand. And please don't take her views as my own,my views are yes americans are ignorant my self included and my "perfect vision" of ireland will never be again i wil not let myself be ignorant anymore.
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Post by kendall on Jan 29, 2009 19:15:05 GMT -5
Same here.
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