Pro life vs Pro choice

[blacksheep]

This poll is kind of touchy and personal but my aunt is a founder of a Prolife organization. She's seriouslly against abortion. Spending time with her I met people who were against abortion and for it. I am against abortion but if some one is for it I don't care. Its their beleifs.

[HollymCombs]

I am actually quite borderline on this topic. I personally would never get an abortion nor consider one. But I do believe that there are some senarios where abortion should be an option. For instance, how could we force a woman who was raped to raise the child of her attacker? In that case I feel like she should be given the option of abortion.

But then on the other hand, if abortion is allowed (to anyone I mean), it will be taken advantage of. There are women that get abortion after abortion.

I think there should be some guidelines. For instance the woman must meet certain requirements to get an abortion. So that way in the very least it is not taken advantage of.

I think I am probably closer to pro life, but I do see where people from pro choice come from.

[blacksheep]

admin said:

I am actually quite borderline on this topic. I personally would never get an abortion nor consider one. But I do believe that there are some senarios where abortion should be an option. For instance, how could we force a woman who was raped to raise the child of her attacker? In that case I feel like she should be given the option of abortion.

But then on the other hand, if abortion is allowed (to anyone I mean), it will be taken advantage of. There are women that get abortion after abortion.

I think there should be some guidelines. For instance the woman must meet certain requirements to get an abortion. So that way in the very least it is not taken advantage of.

I think I am probably closer to pro life, but I do see where people from pro choice come from.

But if the raped woman doesn't want her baby why not put it up for adoption? There are people who would love to have children. Some times when the babies are aborted the babies are alive and the doctors kill the babies. So no offense but I agree with the guidelines but not about the rape.

[brandyspaw]

I did your poll and voted for a woman's right to choose.
Let me tell you why.
I had an abortion back in 1988.
I was with my boyfriend for 3 years at the time (met in 1985,we married in 1995& divorced in 1998). We made a very ,very tough decision. One of the reasons we decided it was best was because we were definately NOT ready to be parents. The second reason was because of the killing of Lisa Steinberg a year before. Sure you can do deep background checks on people but look at the kind of "outstanding " citizen her "adoptive father" was portrayed as, even by his co-workers. But behind closed doors he was a monster. I didn't want my child to end up a home like that or in the foster care system. And even in the foster care system there is neglect.
Now that being said that doesnt mean ALL adopted and foster care providers neglect the children that they are put in care of. I just didn't want my child to be one of the bad statistics.
Also let it be said and known that not a day goes by that I don't regret it because I do. And I think that was GOD's way of punishing me. I was than more careful about birth control.
Was I raped, NO, but if a woman is forced against her will and becomes pregnant than yes I believe that she should have that right to an abortion.
If a woman is just neglectful of BIRTH CONTOL and has abortion after abortion then there has to be state and federal guidelines set.

My husband is not for abortion, but as we live in the US, he supports a woman's right to choose, though his parents are/were avid/adamant anti-abortion and have protested at abortion clinics. They are/were extremely religious, and as my husband is not, he does not support his parents, he respects their beliefs, but doesn't support protests and shootings at abortion clinics, and neither do I. Most women who make that choice, and believe me, I know, do so with a heavy heart and know that this choice will follow them for the rest of their lives!

[Juels]

i agree with both Hollymcombs and Brandyspaw ,

but i think unless a woman is in the position where she has to consider it or make the decision then no one really has the right to say its wrong , but that is just my opinion

[HollymCombs]

blacksheep said:

admin said:

I am actually quite borderline on this topic. I personally would never get an abortion nor consider one. But I do believe that there are some senarios where abortion should be an option. For instance, how could we force a woman who was raped to raise the child of her attacker? In that case I feel like she should be given the option of abortion.

But then on the other hand, if abortion is allowed (to anyone I mean), it will be taken advantage of. There are women that get abortion after abortion.

I think there should be some guidelines. For instance the woman must meet certain requirements to get an abortion. So that way in the very least it is not taken advantage of.

I think I am probably closer to pro life, but I do see where people from pro choice come from.

But if the raped woman doesn't want her baby why not put it up for adoption? There are people who would love to have children. Some times when the babies are aborted the babies are alive and the doctors kill the babies. So no offense but I agree with the guidelines but not about the rape.

I do agree with what you said partially. If a woman is strong enough to make the decision to not get an abortion (when she was raped I mean) and go for adoption, then all to her. In my opinion that is probably the best decision, but it can be a hard one to make. I can't say that all women are strong enough to carry the child of a man who raped her, and I don't know if they should be forced to. But again, I do not have a strong opinion on this either way. I am quite borderline on the topic.

As far as doctors killing the babies, I do believe that is cruel. This is where I think that guidelines should DEFINITELY come into play. For instance, you shouldn't be able to get an abortion once you are a certain amount pregnant. In my opinion there should be this guideline in the very minimum. I personally think I lean a bit more to Pro life, but again I am borderline.

[Mariah]

im for it all the way. men should really back off until they know what its like be in a women's shoes.

[lovelyprudence]

I'm not for abortion but I'm not against. I know I wouldn't have one if "it was a mistake" but I would if I were raped, too poor to raise the child or too young (but as my family would help me and as I'm 18...) and I do understand women who have an abortion.

Actually, my best friend's mother had an abortion because both her and her baby could have died before the birth and it had traumatized her... It must be hard to live with that thought, the thought of not having the child you wanted but she now have 3 children and I think it was the best choice.
I also know that women have fought to have this right and that you cannot have an abortion after the 12 week expect if there's a danger for the mother's health so that's not as though everyone decided to abort two weeks before the birth... (That's important for me, my brother and I were born 10 weeks sooner than expected and we're alive XD).
In country where women can't have an abortion, lots of them die trying to have one.

I understand why people think it would be better to put them for abortion but still... I know that I couldn't be pregnant for months and give birth to a baby if I've been raped and I think it's not more reponsible to give the baby after its birth than to "kill it". By the way, I think it must be very hard to give your baby after nine months.

Some people say you must be strong to have an abortion, but I know I'm weak and that's why I wouldn't... But that's only true when the baby is "a mistake", because when you're pregnant because of a rape, you must be very strong to carry it during nine months, even stronger to keep it and raise it.

I also think that nothing happen without a reason and that, if you know someone who has been adopted, then that just mean they were to live. I don't think aborted babies were meant to exist, I mean, maybe they would have died something young, we never know. I think everything that happen was to happen. Just as some terrible part of the world history. You cannot change what happened.

[MagicalEdgemaster5]

I, personally, am pro-choice. And this is a man talking here.

Why? Because as much as I know from so many accounts that abortion is one of the most undesirable decisions that most women could ever make, we live in a world where:

a) there are more people already here than are able to be cared for. Yeah, I know, that sounds like I'm advocating population control, but I'm really not. I'm just pointing out that the population kinda regulates itself this way, and if you're open to hearing a small piece of Gideon-speech, this could be considered a necessary evil for the sake of the greater good.

b) the adoption system is broken at worst, most accurately weak, and underaccessed at the very best. Case and point: most unwanted babies put up for adoption either never get adopted or turn out like Henry, constantly moving between foster homes. Those kids sadly end up never truly knowing the meaning of home until years after they've lost their childhood.

c) a major argument by the pro-life (and its most arrogant form, pro-birth) movement is that these days, most women go through abortions simply as a form of birth control. Personally I think that's at least a little exaggerated, but every bit of it that's true suffers a logical fallacy right there. Clearly those women are unfit to be mothers, and if you take the legal professional abortion choice out of the picture, some of these women'll be desperate and resort to using coat hangers, or worse yet, end up sadistically killing the babies up to months after they're born. Sure that already happens today, but the second you take choice away, it's gonna run rampant. There's gonna be an epidemic of Casey Anthonys out there, and what many pro-lifers and especially pro-birthers consider murder now will be a sick movement everyone can call murder later.

d) even though we live in a society with mostly pro-choice laws, most women don't even choose abortions, especially not more than once. Countless more end up like Piper, or to get more real here, Holly Marie Combs. Wonderful mother, loving matriarch, heart and/or hustle of the family, the list goes on. Very major chances are, if you were had, kept, and raised, no matter how rich or poor your family is, you know that you were loved. Take away the choice, the chances you could know that for sure are cut in half. The love becomes ordained in many cases rather than allowed to be truly felt, and if this is all enough of a focal point, then in due time a common question or accusation of rebellious teenagers, especially when parents either try to ride them too hard or don't seem to give them enough attention, will be centered around saying, "You wanted to abort me when you had me, didn't you?" At that point, lots of families can get torn apart easily. Many of the same pro-life/pro-birth folks are the same people opposed to gay marriage because they see it as a "threat" to the traditional family, yet this will lead to yet another much bigger threat to any kind of family than that. Their inability to take that fact will only increase the problem because most teens raised around such bigoted contempt will eventually refuse and resent it and actually claim to wish they were aborted. Seriously, you'd have to be as good as Holly just to avoid being scathed by an abortion remark from your child.

e) there are far too many religious fundamentalist and extremist fringe sects who would take this pro-life victory as an opening to try and have their faiths take over government completely. Separation of church and state? Gone. The American (or any free nation to fall to this control) constitution? Just a piece of damned paper. Just imagine the chaos that would come about. As a matter of fact, no - you don't have to imagine anything. Just look at what's going on in the Middle East.

I know I kinda went all worst-case-scenario here, but don't think that's impossible, cause the more you think it's impossible, the more likely it's gonna happen.

All in all, taking away a woman's right to decide for herself whether she's ready to bring a child out into this world is a slippery slope which at best just gives us more people for this world not to be able to take care of beyond prison condition and at its very worst could erode the very moral fabric of the family, the law, and/or even society as we know it. As far as I'm concerned, and remember that I'm a man speaking here, government stepping in and ordering all women to automatically keep every baby is ironically one of the biggest crimes that could ever be committed by a government. That law will never work the way the strict pro-lifers want it to work, which can only be for abortions to just simply go away forever, but the second it's ever passed, they will assume automatically that it already has. Instead of criminalizing abortion, government and society as a whole should instead do everything possible to make that decision as unnecessary as possible. Because trying to force this thing down by force of law seriously risks opening the proverbial Pandora's box. May God have mercy on us all if I'm ever right.